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MandM
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Jul 29, 2010 - 11:16 AM |
 
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Well, he's at it again. Mr. McGuinty, in his ongoing quest to protect us from ourselves, is pushing through yet another discriminatory law aimed at an easy target. If you are under the age of 21, you can no longer have ANY alcohol in your system while driving in Ontario. It doesn't matter if you've proven yourself to be a mature and responsible individual or that you've paid the ridiculously high licencing fees, you are automatically assumed to be a danger to yourself and others. I thought we had laws in this country designed to protect people against age discrimination?
So let me see if I have this straight.
At 16 you are considered responsible enough to drive and consent to have sex.
At 18 you are considered responsible enough to:
-Vote (something I'm sure a lot more young adults will be doing next time around).
- Get married.
- Join the Fire Dept.
- Become a Police Officer.
- Join the military without parental consent and die for your country on foreign soil.
At 19 you are considered responsible enough to legally purchase alcohol.
Yet McGuinty doesn't think that people under 21 can be responsible enough to have a wine cooler at the family BBQ and drive home.
This generation has been exposed to more educational material about drunk driving than ANY previous generation, do they really deserve to all be lumped into the same catagory.
Two quick questions.
1) When did the soccer moms start running this province?
2) When did the good people of Ontario become so obsessed with Ottawa that they stopped caring about what's happening in their own backyard? |
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couple4u
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Jul 29, 2010 - 01:55 PM |
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| Quote: | | When did the soccer moms start running this province? |
The day he got elected. I voted for him, not one of my brightest moves! |
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firebird
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Location: oakville
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Jul 29, 2010 - 06:17 PM |
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I didn't vote for McQuinty because I felt he was very incincere right from the beginning. He was promising goodies at election time that were either impossible to deliver or would cost horrendous tax increases to deliver. I feel That he is falling into the same trap that Bob Rae fell into and that is listening to all the wrong people. I don't like Mcquinty. MADD is becoming too powerful and long ago surpassed their objective of stopping drunk drivers and has a new mandate of a alchohol prohibition in Canada. They won't stop until drinking is banned in Canada. "O" alcohol for all drivers is already on MADD's agenda for the very ear future. There are extremist nut bars running MADD now. |
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sweetorgiests
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Joined: Apr 05, 2007
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Location: guelph
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Jul 29, 2010 - 09:23 PM |
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this moron is worse than harper only because he has a majority ... let em catch me.
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dreamer
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Location: Toronto
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Jul 31, 2010 - 09:20 AM |
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There is no comparison between the two.
While I do not agree with everything McGuinty has done, most of it is for the betterment of Ontario.
Harper on the other is a power grabber excentric that does whatever is needed to stay in power. It started when he lied through his teeth to merge the alliance and to progressive conservative. It has only got worse since. |
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firebird
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Jul 31, 2010 - 09:57 AM |
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McGuinty has quietly raised taxes by a huge amounts of our money He has also cut health care costs again and and emergency room waiting time has trippled since McGinty got in power. Energy costs have gone ballistic. The HST is a huge multi billion dallar tax grab. The new metered electrical costs will be over 10% more for the average home owners and businesses that use a lot electricity are finding huge increases can put them out of business. Welfare payments have been reduced and qualifying for welfare has been made much harder. McGunity learned what not to do from Mike Harris. He didn't piss off the unions that work for government. He gave them everything they wanted to keep them quiet. Nary a peep from the same big unions that spent millions in mass media to bring down Mike Harris because he stood up to them and refused their demands. McGunity has cut more and taxed more than Harris but no muliti million $$ campain of constant barrage of radio and TV ads from the big unions against McGuinty. Shows that the selfish unions don't care crap about Ontarians. They were just looking out for themselves at our expense. |
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MandM
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Location: toronto
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Jul 31, 2010 - 12:02 PM |
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While I do not agree with everything McGuinty has done, most of it is for the betterment of Ontario.
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I think I'm having a stroke.
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Harper on the other is a power grabber excentric that does whatever is needed to stay in power.
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Yep, definitely a stroke.
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It started when he lied through his teeth to merge the alliance and to progressive conservative. It has only got worse since.
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I smell burnt toast. |
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mrroom157
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Jul 31, 2010 - 12:52 PM |
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| firebird wrote: | | MADD is becoming too powerful and long ago surpassed their objective of stopping drunk drivers and has a new mandate of a alchohol prohibition in Canada. They won't stop until drinking is banned in Canada. "O" alcohol for all drivers is already on MADD's agenda for the very ear future. There are extremist nut bars running MADD now. |
OH ? another special interest group ? the likes of PETA maybe ?
What say you cup4 ?
My Take ? special interest groups are nothing less than the concept of socialism and religion .
the idea and the concept and maybe the initial mandate is ideal .....too fucking ideal !
The end washed out product ? self serving and misaligned . |
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sweetorgiests
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Jul 31, 2010 - 02:02 PM |
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government bowing to special interests is GREAT ... as long as they are my special interests. of course the scariest special interest are those associated with the love of money as oppose dto the love of people.
we see these special interests in operation everyday where they are bank bail out to protect the financial system for the good of all, the oil lobby groups, the auto industry with their bailouts, the catholic education school board.
sadly the kickbacks to those "elected" to represent all the people are well hidden, and so built in to a corrupt system they go unnoticed ... whether it is the use of private jets at an exorbitant cost for non essential travel ..i.e. g20 summits, discussions on the environment, state funerals, vacations at camp david ... etc etc or any othe rof the myriad of things which the average person as little to no access that the rulers do at will.
the ultimate weapon to keep the unpriveleged as such is divide and conquer. number one on the list has existed for centuries and shapes the values of the human race and divides them more than ethnicity and patriotism .. that is of course religion.
It has been the basis for more wars etc then any thing else and essentially has people fighting about values created in support of if not all, many made up gods who slightly change the values and leading figures of the religous group then magnify the differences and increase the level of division of humanity.
normally humans all seek the ames things all care about their families and loved ones etc etc ... yet we fight with each other about arcane and inconsequential differences.
as george carlin said ... detach uyourself emotionally from the madness ... observe it and don't be suckered into it ... it is time for me to retreat on wht is happening overall and instead of concerning myself about that which I can not change focus like a laser beam on that which I can change ... like my level of intoxication, sobriety and how much sex I get.
It is time to check out!
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couple4u
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Jul 31, 2010 - 02:55 PM |
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* A Special Interest Group (SIG) is a community with a interest in advancing a specific area of knowledge, learning or technology where members cooperate to effect or to produce solutions within their particular field, and may meet communicate, meet and organise conferences. ... |
MrRoom Orgy hit it on the head when he said:
| Quote: | | government bowing to special interests is GREAT ... as long as they are my special interests. |
To relegate all special interest groups under the guise of evil, bad, or corrupt is an absolute absurdity. Why I relate it to Orgies quote is, for example, the community rallying against the HST is considered a special interest group, I would hazard to guess that you would support them. We are all not going to agree with each SIG's specific cause, but some are necessary, and do good work, and I agree that an equal share are bullocks! We need to rely on societies good judgment to weed them out...
NOW DON'T YOU DARE TRY TO GET THE LAST WORD!! |
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mrroom157
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Jul 31, 2010 - 04:28 PM |
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cup 4 sorry bud just have to respond . George Carlin has made it perfectly clear .
Society as a whole HAS NO good judgement . We are sheep and typically follow
the path of least resistance. This is why there is a great need for leaders ....good leaders ..
Not neccessarily Mine or your special interests, but the intrests of the group he/she has been elected or comissioned to represent NOT his/her own ! |
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couple4u
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Jul 31, 2010 - 06:00 PM |
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the path of least resistance |
Why is it you feel resistance is a good thing? Let go the rocks you cling on to for dear life, young grasshopper. The stream may take you to new possibilities!!
LAST WORD??? |
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mrroom157
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Jul 31, 2010 - 08:56 PM |
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couple4u, snatch these pebbles from my hand
when you have snatched these pebbles from my hand
You can go ahead and insert them in your ass one by one .
Is THAT last word enough for you ? |
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couple4u
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Aug 01, 2010 - 02:25 AM |
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| Quote: | | Is THAT last word enough for you ? |
Not quite....
Back to the original idea of the thread, I fail to see how we can trust an age group to vote, drink, fight in a war, and then question their judgment to control their alcohol consumption. Seems a little unfair. |
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sweetnectar
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Aug 02, 2010 - 02:00 AM |
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I understand that between the ages of 16 thru 19 one becomes an adult but why does everyone have such a hate on for no-drinking policies?
Personally I don't have an issue with keeping alcohol, cars and youngins separated - it takes time to become a good, experienced driver. And sorry, I know wayyyyyy too many people that were killed by drunken drivers that I'm all for trying to keep a lid on it.
Why do we have to drink and drive in the first place is my question???>???????????
Take a cab, use the TTC, keep the economy going and yourselves safe!
off topic - instead of us all continuing to harp on the harpoon and his fellow baffoons, our time might be better spent thinking in these terms.....
Be the change you wish to see in the world!!!!!!!!! |
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MandM
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Aug 12, 2010 - 06:57 PM |
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I understand that between the ages of 16 thru 19 one becomes an adult but why does everyone have such a hate on for no-drinking policies?
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I don't have a hate on for no-drinking policies. I do have a hate on for discriminatory policies passed by a party that claims to be the defender of peoples rights.
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Personally I don't have an issue with keeping alcohol, cars and youngins separated - it takes time to become a good, experienced driver.
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Then shouldn't this law apply to ANY new driver regardless of age?
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I know wayyyyyy too many people that were killed by drunken drivers that I'm all for trying to keep a lid on it.
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Same here, as long as it makes sense. This doesn't. It's just more McGuinty legislation designed to make us FEEL safe. The responsible kid will call their folks for a ride while the irresponsible kid won't care about the law. This law won't save a single life.
With that said, I think I'll take the pitbull for a walk to the smoke shop and hand pick my cigars from their walk in humidor.
Oops... silly me. |
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firebird
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Aug 13, 2010 - 12:09 AM |
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The 0 tolerance for young drivers has nothing to do with drunk drivers but is brainchild of MADD and their obbsession with banning all alcohol from Canada. I worked with the former Halton president of MADD and her husband for many years and I knew their 21 year old daughter, their only child that was killed by a drunk driver. My wife was at the accident scene minutes after it happened but didn't know who was in the car. I do understand the horrendous loss to some of these people. I don't think I ever saw him smile again. Many of the organizers of MADD have suffered greatly because of drunk drivers. It has driven many of them to an obsession against all alcohol. They are no longer a reasonable useful group trying to stop drunk drivers but have now committed themseves to removing all alcohol anywhere. The 0 tolerance for drivers under 21 is just the first step and will soon apply to all drivers of any age. It means you won't be able to have a single glass of wine or a beer with your steak if you go to dinner unless you take a taxi home. Even one drink takes hours to be completely removed from your system enough to register a complete 0%. MADD is likely to win this in the very near future. You can already face horrendous expenses and inconvenience if you blow .05 even though you can't be charged because you have commitd no crime. No study anywhere has shown anyone to be imparied at .07 let alone .05 You are driveing perfectly legal at .05 but because of false information created by MADD you will still have you car towed at your expence and you hope you have taxi fare home. It usually costs about $100 to $200 to get your Taxi home and retrive your car the next day. A bit expensive and damn inconvient for being in full control of your driving skills and not breaking any laws. MADD now toutes new studies that show impairment at .01 but when questioned about where or who did the studies they can't say??? It is rediculous to say that .01% alcohol will cause driving impairment. They created false studies to convince the government to ban all alcohol and they will soon have it thier way. |
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mrroom157
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Aug 13, 2010 - 06:30 AM |
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Special interest groups have been the bain of our north American existence. from labor unions that have stripped us of all competetive means to carry on in a global village , to legal system rife with reptillian lawyers and ambulance chasers waiting for opportunities to sue any one for anything , they can .
What we are doing is allowing awkward precedences to change the very fabric that the whole north American society was founded on .
Our one and only legacy will be business and commerce , and that will be the very legacy that will eventually sink us !
Sooner or later , someone will undoubtedly find a a way to capitalize and exploit the origional agenda of any special interest group .
Look up Anna Jarvis . The lady who founded "mothers day " in 1914 . Her intent was to
commemorate the mothers and wives of war vetrans for having borne the task of raising families whilst their husbands and sons were off to war .
When all of a sudden people started selling mothers day propaganda and trivia items and such . It took the whole meaning of what she had meant it to be , Kind of like christmas is today . As Irony has it . She spent the rest of her life campaigning against the very occassion she invented , and is said to finally died without dignity in an insane asylum .
Possibly a feeble analogy /example to bring my point across . But true , and proof of what im trying to express .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Jarvis |
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couple4u
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Aug 13, 2010 - 09:59 AM |
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I am glad you said it is we that are allowing this to happen. Societies complacency speaks volumes. What I cannot understand for the life of me, with the idiot running this Provence, is that he is dumbing us down on everything, making sure we do not hurt ourselves, but then turns around and is now legalizing on-line gambling!
Pick a direction, Dalton! |
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firebird
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Aug 13, 2010 - 10:47 AM |
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I do beleieve he is the most decietful and second worst Premier we have ever had and he is getting away with it quietly.
The online gambling will be the end of those with gambling problems. They can bankrupt their families from the comfort of their home. Save all that gas money they used to spend driving to distant casions for gambling. |
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firebird
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Aug 13, 2010 - 10:49 AM |
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I just Googled MADD on a whim because often such groups raise enormous amounts of cash cash pretending be somthingbthey are not. Is their personal finacial gain for the organizers of this supposedly non profit group?? here is what popped up. Interesting!!
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/134309 |
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MandM
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Aug 13, 2010 - 12:10 PM |
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The online gambling will be the end of those with gambling problems. They can bankrupt their families from the comfort of their home. Save all that gas money they used to spend driving to distant casions for gambling.
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No need to worry firebird, McGuinty has them covered. They can always sign up for the "opt out" program. What could possibly go wrong there?  |
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couple4u
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Aug 13, 2010 - 12:59 PM |
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| Quote: | I just Googled MADD on a whim because often such groups raise enormous amounts of cash cash pretending be somthingbthey are not. Is their personal finacial gain for the organizers of this supposedly non profit group?? here is what popped up. Interesting!!
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/134309 |
AAAHHHHHHHH!!  |
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firebird
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Aug 13, 2010 - 06:31 PM |
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couple4u :: So now we know that MADD now exists for the sole purpose of putting millions of dollars into the pockets of the executive staff and the professional fundraisers. 81% of $$$12 millions bucks ( over $10 million bucks) annually goes into feeding the MADD organization and 19% goes to helping the drunk driving cause. No wonder they work so hard at getting your money. It motive now is clearly a for big $$bucks profit organization provided by creating fear with false studies and missinforming the public. |
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sweetnectar
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Aug 14, 2010 - 12:50 AM |
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anyways, it seems to me that we can live our lives as we see fit. Why does everyone always feel the need to conform to society? to follow the herd?? For the life of me (lol) thats what I can never understand.
If you follow the herd you're bound to end up in a whole slop of shit - thats what I think....heheehe |
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firebird
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Aug 15, 2010 - 10:46 AM |
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sweetnectar::
It depends on you mean by conform and follow the heard. If we did we wouldn't be here and often at SC and the various nude resorts and naughty parties. The discussion here origionaly was about a new useless and pointless discriminatory law. Unfortunaly not following the heard reguarding laws can get you in serious shit. |
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